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Karen, I'm so glad! It's nice to hear some good news once in a while! :P

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Pat [67] married to Derek [83] for 37 years; husband dx PDD/LBD 2005, probably began 2002 or earlier; late stage and in a SNF as of January 2011.


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Sometimes, when Ron is delusional or sees hallucinations, I wonder if maybe he is seeing into another world that is real and we are just not able to see "then".... maybe an alternate universe..... am I completely weird to think this? I don't question it.... I ask him about it.... he explains what he is seeing and I am okay with it..... that is until it becomes night "hallucinations" from sleep disorder that are just crazy dreams..... thanks, Cheryl


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Cheryl, you mean there really might BE twenty people living in our house, only I can't see them? No wonder I can't keep the carpets clean! :lol:

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Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:52 am
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Cheryl... You reminded me that Dale very early in this adventure posed almost that exact question. He asked, "Why do you think your version of reality is correct and mine is not?" He no longer asks that. I wish he still had that much ability to be objective.

This week, he is taking only a third of the Sinemet dose he used to take in an effort to calm his 'other world' but I'm beginning to think his 'other world' involvement is worse now anyhow. He is relatively calm during the night with Seroquel.

In the afternoon and evening yesterday, he was totally absorbed with delusions and hallucinations. He tries so hard to involve me and all I can say to him is, "I don't live in your world." Last night, it took all of my patience because the bedtime ritual took an hour and a half. (9-10:30) He was totally childlike in every step. He wanted to go to bed but even removing his clothing was a struggle. At one point, I had helped him take off his shoes and I had gone to get his nightshirt. He put his shoes back on. :roll:

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Leone Carroll (75); wife of Dale (75) who passed away March 23, 2011


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Leone, all I can say is, there will come a day when he CAN'T put his shoes on, his socks on, or dress himself at all. My advice is, no matter how frustrating some of the things he does now are, please be glad he can do a lot of things for himself. Once they are bedridden and cannot do anything but open their mouth, try to swallow, and lift one hand a little from the elbow down, you'll think of today as "the good old days". That is all my dad was able to do for the past few months. I hope your husband maintains a lot of his physical ability till the end. Lynn

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Lynn, daughter of 89 year old dad dx with possiblity of LBD, CBD, PSP, FTD, ALS, Vascular Dementia, AD, etc., died Nov. 30, 2010 after living in ALF for 18 months.


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Post Re: Another Day - Another delusion - Lynn
Thanks for the gentle reminder, Lynn.

I am glad that Dale is still able to do things for himself. He is practicing using the walker .. and I'm very glad he sees the value in doing that. Physically, he is a long way from bed-ridden.

The problem with his cognition is mine. I know that. I can't always see the forest for the trees. The tension gets really thick around here when he argues his irrational point of view and it makes absolutely no sense. The daily 'mind games' are hard to manage. There are times when I wish I could park him somewhere and leave him.

However, I have decided that home is where I want him to be...

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Leone Carroll (75); wife of Dale (75) who passed away March 23, 2011


Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:15 am
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Reading your posts Leone has made me realize what mum was possibly trying to handle at home before dad was placed in the ALF. Dale sounds very much like dad was still pretty mobile but the constant story telling about his world drove mum mad especially with a house full of children to boot! You have made me be more compassionate to mums cause though it has been hard at times I will admit.I can't say I know what she was going through 100% I wasn't there but I am slowly becoming able to remain open to both their needs and give them support and love.


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Post Re: Another Day - Another delusion - Kelli
Thanks, Kelli.... I really feel for your mother, as you already know. This disease takes away so much. I must admit that the man I married is not the man who wanders around our house now. Dale is in a paranoid fog most of the time.

I recently told a friend that I sometimes get trapped trying to carry on a regular conversation with him - only to realize that his version of what I've said is not what I intended at all. He puts unrelated memories, ideas, and events together that have no relationship with each other. He lives in another world - and then he argues his point of view.

Your reference to a 'house full of children' leads me to ask if you meant the imaginary children my husband sees - or was your mother also caring for grandchildren?

My husband is like a child most of the time.... but he isn't cute and cuddly. :cry:

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I can only imagine how draining the mind games are when you are taking care of your LO at home. When my dad would get really irritated because he'd be thinking something delusional and I'd try not to argue with him, but I also couldn't do what he wanted or agree with him, I could just say "see you tomorrow dad" and walk out and drive home. When you are living there you can't do that. I don't know how you all cope as well as you do.
My dad would say "why are these women always coming in here looking at my butt?" And I'd say "they need to check your pressure sore and make sure it is healing, or putting med. on it so it gets better." Then he'd get furious and tell me he didn't have a pressure sore. Then he'd ask me the same question again and again. So, then I'd say "I can't answer your question because you don't like the answer." He'd get mad again. Finally I learned to say "because you have such a cute butt." Then he'd laugh and that would be the end of the conversation.
Is there some way you can turn a ridiculous, irrational conversation into something humorous? I know all of this takes an incredible amount of energy, but we'd both feel better when we laughed. (not that that always worked, but it did help relieve the tension many times.)
Hope you all get a good night's sleep. Lynn

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Some say this 24/7 life style is like a roller coaster. I think it's more like a see-saw. I'm either way up or crashing down. Today has been filled with extremes. This morning he wanted me to take him to the doctor because he felt faint. I didn't feel he would benefit from medical help. This afternoon, he got much better and by tonight, he was just fine. However, I just put him to bed and he is objecting strongly and very irrationally to being in the bedroom without me. He thinks I'm in the office with someone else.

Most of the time, I want to keep him with me as long as I'm able - but there are times when I think I'm nuts for enduring all this. We do laugh and we still love. We have a bond of love that will not be broken. I know that my mother cared for my dying dad at home when she was in her 90s. I know it can be done. I think I can do it.

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To me, the roller coaster analogy seems to fit very well. Even while we are chugging slowly to the top, my body and soul are clenched in anticipation of that fast drop, where the bottom falls out from under us. The main difference is, I love real roller coasters. I don't love Lewy.

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Pat [67] married to Derek [83] for 37 years; husband dx PDD/LBD 2005, probably began 2002 or earlier; late stage and in a SNF as of January 2011.


Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:23 am
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Yes, the rollercoaster analogy is perfect. I never know what to expect when I call or visit my mother. Lately, things have been pretty negative so that's what I am prepared for, and then sometimes it is surprisingly positive. Mostly, I try to hope for the best but things can suddenly go south. Like yesterday, I called and reminded her that today we are going to her orthopedist to get injections in her knees. This is something she has been asking and asking about, because the injections do help but she can only have them every six months (and amazingly the shots themselves don't bother her at all). So of course I was expecting her to be glad we are going. Well, surprise, she was peevish about it to the point where I asked her if she wanted me to cancel. Geez. I should be asleep now, but apprehension about this trip tomorrow (an hour each way) is keeping me up. So many nights I am up late, upset about one thing or another that is going on with her.

Lately, I have been spending a lot of time mourning the loss of the mother I knew and trying to adjust to this new person. Really, she is so alien to me now, and she is still so angry at me for her NH admission. It is a struggle to find any joy, so the only thing that works is to remember the old Mother and do things for her sake. We're coming up on a year since her diagnosis. It seems like much, much longer and I think we are nowhere near the end of the road. Talk about the long goodbye!

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Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:23 am
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Whatever analogy we use, last night at our house was awful. We both slept through the night but I'm still hurting from the exchange just before I joined him in bed. To be accused unjustly of 'another life' when I'm caught here doing nothing but taking care of him is so unfair. I know his mind is not right... but it still hurts.

Last night here in Florida was cold. The temperature was in the 20s. It's only 25 now at 6:30 am. He claimed he saw me when he went outside. The absolute absurdity of his being outside with a condom catheter attached ... and half naked... in that freezing temperature ought to make me laugh.... but I'm not quite there yet.

I wish I knew why I always 'take the bait.' Why can't I remove myself from the equation? Why does it hurt so much? Why do the accusations make me so angry?

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Leone, You're not alone and in time you will just let it roll off your back. Frank and I would be riding in the car and if he saw my brother, one of my affairs, go by he'd say there she is again, she with him and didn't even try to hide. I'd say I'm here so "Gerry" cannot be with him?????? He accused me of playing mind games and it was my fault that he was having this problem. That was several years ago, I'm numb to all that.

Hang in there, I know there are times that we'd all love to place our LO, but we keep on truckin and hope tomorrow will be a better day.

Take care, Gerry

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UPDATE.... Thanks, Gerry. This morning, Dale remembers the dream and is apologizing profusely....and repeatedly. In fact, he can describe the dream. He is quite sane. He loves me....

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